1 00:00:04,566 --> 00:00:05,133 Is this okay? 2 00:00:05,133 --> 00:00:05,833 Yes 3 00:00:05,933 --> 00:00:06,766 Yes, it's fine 4 00:00:06,766 --> 00:00:07,766 Yeah, yeah, uh-huh 5 00:00:07,766 --> 00:00:08,766 Yes it's recording 6 00:00:21,766 --> 00:00:22,800 Do you want headphones? 7 00:00:23,133 --> 00:00:24,366 Ah no, it's recording, thank you. 8 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:26,633 Yes, yes, you can see the little spectre. 9 00:00:27,133 --> 00:00:29,166 Let's see... ready. 10 00:00:38,066 --> 00:00:40,900 If you want we can start with that one. 11 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,233 By the chief of service 12 00:00:59,266 --> 00:01:00,900 From this border post 13 00:01:01,233 --> 00:01:05,066 In his capacity as deputy of the chief himself 14 00:01:05,166 --> 00:01:08,866 On the date specified above a resolution has been made that 15 00:01:08,866 --> 00:01:10,366 Of which 16 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:15,133 In the presence of a counsel 17 00:01:15,133 --> 00:01:17,000 The passenger indicated 18 00:01:17,366 --> 00:01:21,066 Did not present a document inviting him 19 00:01:21,466 --> 00:01:24,066 He has no place to drop dead 20 00:01:24,066 --> 00:01:28,666 And he lives on what is given him 21 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:32,566 For you I'm just a long-lived loser 22 00:01:32,566 --> 00:01:36,600 Who comes to see what sells inside 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,733 For you I'm just an indigenous aggressor 24 00:01:40,733 --> 00:01:45,233 Who comes to make riches on this side of the planet 25 00:01:45,233 --> 00:01:47,033 At the cost of plunder 26 00:01:47,033 --> 00:01:50,400 I've heard that story before 27 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,733 And don't think you're discriminated against 28 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:57,933 We've got you locked up 29 00:01:57,933 --> 00:01:59,433 Here there is no Mexican 30 00:01:59,433 --> 00:02:04,166 Here there is no Venezuelan who is not treated well by Europe 31 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:06,633 Just ask why 32 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,266 Why 33 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:11,633 He was kicked out of his neighborhood 34 00:02:11,633 --> 00:02:13,633 He comes here without any money 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,800 If for your government you are also another freak 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,200 You have nowhere to drop dead 37 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,933 And you live on what 38 00:02:22,933 --> 00:02:25,100 On what? 39 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:28,733 For you I'm just a long-lived loser 40 00:02:28,733 --> 00:02:32,300 Who comes to see what sells inside 41 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:36,833 For you I'm just a refugee, an invader 42 00:02:36,833 --> 00:02:41,033 Who comes to make riches on this side of the planet 43 00:02:41,033 --> 00:02:42,966 At the cost of plunder 44 00:02:42,966 --> 00:02:48,100 I've heard that story before 45 00:03:01,066 --> 00:03:03,033 Crossing the Balkans 46 00:03:03,033 --> 00:03:05,133 Or crossing the Rio Bravo 47 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:09,800 Mexican, Hondurans, Iranians and Afghans arrive 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,366 There they call them refugees 49 00:03:11,366 --> 00:03:13,133 And Europe shakes hands with them 50 00:03:13,166 --> 00:03:19,400 Like Latinos in the "gabacho" We all arrive wet 51 00:03:20,766 --> 00:03:23,800 For you 52 00:03:23,966 --> 00:03:28,233 I am only 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,533 For you 54 00:03:32,533 --> 00:03:35,933 Mr. Macron 55 00:03:37,066 --> 00:03:39,633 For you 56 00:03:40,266 --> 00:03:45,300 Biden or Macron or Trump 57 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:49,333 For you I'm just a long-lived loser 58 00:03:49,333 --> 00:03:53,333 Who comes to see what sells inside 59 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:57,466 For you I'm just an indigenous aggressor 60 00:03:57,466 --> 00:04:00,633 Who lives obsessed with rancor 61 00:04:00,633 --> 00:04:01,966 Already with your colonialism! 62 00:04:01,966 --> 00:04:05,766 For you I'm just a Latin seduction 63 00:04:05,766 --> 00:04:09,266 Who comes to dance cumbia and reggaeton 64 00:04:09,266 --> 00:04:13,633 For you I'm just a refugee an invader 65 00:04:13,633 --> 00:04:17,666 Who comes to make riches on this side of the planet 66 00:04:17,666 --> 00:04:19,666 At the cost of plunder 67 00:04:19,666 --> 00:04:21,800 Fleeing from our lands 68 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,666 And from the bombs they drop on us 69 00:04:23,666 --> 00:04:25,566 And from the fucking dictators 70 00:04:25,566 --> 00:04:27,600 And from all the mining companies 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,333 I've heard that story I've heard that story 72 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:34,866 I've heard that story before 73 00:04:39,266 --> 00:04:40,900 Thank you, thank you 74 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:42,500 Thank you very much Arturo. 75 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:46,733 Well we're here with Arturo Carcará, a musician from Puebla 76 00:04:46,733 --> 00:04:51,400 who composed this song because of a situation that he had at an event 77 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,533 that he was invited to in Germany, right? 78 00:04:54,733 --> 00:04:58,533 In Europe, and mainly I was going to play in Germany. 79 00:04:59,733 --> 00:05:05,000 Ah, you entered from Spain and from there you migrated to the German side. 80 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,666 Oh big mistake, haha. 81 00:05:06,666 --> 00:05:14,700 After that, with all the community that always comes and goes like in those places that are also dedicated to art, most of them 82 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:19,166 they should make a tutorial of "no you better enter from this side, enter from the other side". 83 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:23,800 Everybody agrees that it's the worst side, the worst airport 84 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,100 the worst customs, border to enter Europe for the first time 85 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:31,666 So it's like it's already well known mostly among the Latin people 86 00:05:31,666 --> 00:05:35,400 that it's very difficult to enter Europe for the first time on that side 87 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,800 because of the evaluations they make and because I think it's obviously because of racism 88 00:05:40,066 --> 00:05:42,733 And not for the children today 89 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:45,266 Where we'll have lunch 90 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,233 What flowers willl bring us 91 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:51,433 the comrades today? 92 00:05:52,233 --> 00:05:54,433 Where is the march going today? 93 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,666 How many will walk with us? 94 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,400 Will the banners be ready? 95 00:06:00,933 --> 00:06:03,500 Do you know if there are grenadiers? 96 00:06:03,933 --> 00:06:06,466 And it was the first time you traveled to Europe? 97 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:12,300 Yes, yes, it has been the only time, the first and so far the only time I have gone 98 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:13,166 and 99 00:06:13,266 --> 00:06:21,333 well, but then I crossed borders to the Czech Republic or back to Spain or Italy 100 00:06:21,366 --> 00:06:27,866 So, it was the first border I was going to cross to enter the European Union. 101 00:06:27,866 --> 00:06:32,400 I think that one of the hardest parts of colonialism, well, I don't know if it is the hardest 102 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,000 but one where it is reflected with a lot of cruelty has to do with migration. 103 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,833 And well, in your case you were going to invite another musician 104 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:44,666 and then they respected your invitation, after much suffering and many formalities 105 00:06:44,666 --> 00:06:48,433 But in the song you tell us a little about your experience 106 00:06:48,433 --> 00:06:54,566 of being right in the place where they detain people, supposedly in a temporary detention 107 00:06:54,566 --> 00:06:59,800 but it seems more like a prison and where there were a lot of people from Venezuela, right? 108 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:06,366 What was your perception at that moment when you were with these fellow Venezuelans who were somehow migrating 109 00:07:06,366 --> 00:07:11,466 fleeing from the precarious conditions, right? In which they are in their countries? 110 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:19,300 Yes, well, to begin with it is like this document here, that the song starts reading verbatim what they tell you at customs 111 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:24,033 and what the judges and the so-called lawyer that they assign to you tell you, right? 112 00:07:24,033 --> 00:07:27,533 It is a lawyer who tells you to sign and leave, right? And you are not admitted. 113 00:07:27,533 --> 00:07:32,566 So I felt like I was in high school, the admission exam, not admitted, bam, the stamp. 114 00:07:32,566 --> 00:07:38,733 And up to that point I didn't feel as rude as this process in front of the bureaucrats 115 00:07:38,733 --> 00:07:47,233 because here we are used to deal with bureaucrats of the same kind, super arrogant, right? 116 00:07:47,233 --> 00:07:51,000 And only that you start to notice a bias. 117 00:07:51,000 --> 00:08:02,733 The only thing is that they take you to the judge or to this instance of customs that they are more, so to speak 118 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,866 they treat you in a better way, but the cops not 119 00:08:06,866 --> 00:08:11,200 They are guys of 1.90 meters tall and very arrogant. They are guys of 1.90 meters and very angry, pissed off 120 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:18,566 I even made jokes "are you angry" and it was like "don't talk to me". They were already very blunt and very aggressive. 121 00:08:18,566 --> 00:08:22,833 That's when I started to feel the pressure Well, am I under arrest or not under arrest? 122 00:08:22,833 --> 00:08:28,133 No, you are not arrested, you are going back to your country, you are not admitted for lack of documents 123 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:33,733 And I always asked them to clarify which documents, and well, there is always a document 124 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:37,466 Of course, the bureaucrats know that there will always be a missing document. 125 00:08:37,466 --> 00:08:44,633 Evidently not everyone is checked for those documents, and that is where the problem and the outrage 126 00:08:44,633 --> 00:08:53,400 When they told me "go", I thought for sure that I could stay at the airport and make phone calls 127 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,766 go to lunch, I don't know, that I could get off my feet 128 00:08:56,766 --> 00:09:02,666 No, no, it was "for now you wait for me in this room", which is a room as such 129 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,900 To me it completely seemed like a cell 130 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:13,533 With beds, with benches, cold, horrible, right? There was a television there. 131 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,100 Full, jammed with people. 132 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:20,033 Most of them Latin Americans 133 00:09:20,033 --> 00:09:25,500 most of them, a lot of them, the great majority of them Venezuelans and children 134 00:09:25,533 --> 00:09:30,200 which is what most struck me, the families 135 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,733 People with their two or three children who had been stuck there for months 136 00:09:34,733 --> 00:09:40,533 They could have been there from one to three months, the ones I met 137 00:09:40,533 --> 00:09:45,000 but they say they can stay as long as they want, because they appeal to a trial 138 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,466 They do not want to return to their country, in particular to Venezuela 139 00:09:48,466 --> 00:09:54,600 and they had an invitation or they were married to someone from Spain or Europe 140 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:00,600 but they were detained there because I do not know well, customs does not know what their real intention is 141 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:09,033 They are accused of looking for work, some of them were completely accused of prostitution 142 00:10:09,033 --> 00:10:15,533 But beyond that they are not accused of any crime, which is the strange thing and the odd thing 143 00:10:15,533 --> 00:10:22,866 because they are in jail for a month because they start a trial for wanting to be admitted 144 00:10:22,866 --> 00:10:29,066 and the lawyer or whoever represents them tells them "Well, stay there, don't go out. It is the best thing you can do" 145 00:10:29,066 --> 00:10:34,433 It seems to me that it completely violates their rights, they are locked up. 146 00:10:34,433 --> 00:10:39,500 To some of them they gave the chance to go out to smoke on a balcony, but the children don't smoke. 147 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:45,700 So it seemed super cruel to me, at the same time that I was in my world of disappointment 148 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:48,666 and super pissed off and super depressed 149 00:10:48,666 --> 00:10:56,366 because it was the end of a kind of job I had, a job we had done for two years to go and play 150 00:10:56,366 --> 00:10:59,900 and in a second they tell you "no, you're going back and you can't go back" 151 00:10:59,900 --> 00:11:03,300 And I would ask them "what about my ticket and my plane?" 152 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:06,200 "no, you lose all that, if you want to come back then you buy another one". 153 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,033 So when you see all these situations 154 00:11:09,033 --> 00:11:19,400 it is as if you are stopped in the countryside just walking and you don't know what to do 155 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:26,200 I only had one day to process all this and to see so many people who have been there for weeks, months 156 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:32,200 it was complicated, rather complicated to assimilate, I don't know how they do it or why 157 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:39,333 What they say to you, loudly, is "I want to stay in Europe and I am not going to move from here until I get in" 158 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:46,900 And they were very cheerful people, with a lot of optimism because of the same thing about the personalities of Latin America 159 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:52,333 the Americans that we have do not get depressed so easily, but when they made calls to their families 160 00:11:52,333 --> 00:11:55,500 it was a queue of broken hearts 161 00:11:55,500 --> 00:12:02,133 There was only one phone and everyone lined up to receive the calls, you can't dial anywhere else, they had to call you 162 00:12:02,133 --> 00:12:08,533 Just like in jail, you have to set fixed schedules 163 00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:14,233 make an agreement with the others "what time is your family member going to talk to you?" 164 00:12:14,233 --> 00:12:20,100 And as soon as you start to talk, the one behind you feels affected and the one in the back starts to cry because 165 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:21,100 How hard 166 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:25,666 well, yes, they listen to their family member, they tell them the situation 167 00:12:25,666 --> 00:12:30,566 they try not to tell them that they are locked up with a food that 168 00:12:30,566 --> 00:12:36,300 So they pass them trays of food that everyone could tell you "well, how humane, isn't it? 169 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:42,200 "There are those who don't even get fed." And things like that, bullshit that they invent to say that they are human 170 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:48,133 Precisely in the song it says "Don't think you are discriminated against,here you are not treated badly" 171 00:12:48,133 --> 00:12:51,500 and that is a joke they tell you temporarily so that they believe it 172 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:54,533 because only they believe it, not us 173 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,933 Tan indin and 174 00:12:57,933 --> 00:13:00,833 Wears my Xochitl 175 00:13:00,833 --> 00:13:02,966 In the head office 176 00:13:03,633 --> 00:13:06,766 With images and flowers 177 00:13:06,766 --> 00:13:09,266 Tan indin and 178 00:13:09,266 --> 00:13:12,666 wears my Xochitl 179 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:15,366 In the head office 180 00:13:15,366 --> 00:13:19,133 Our voices are awakened 181 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:26,266 And here I also feel very related because every time I have to cross borders, especially the European border 182 00:13:26,266 --> 00:13:31,266 and especially the airport in Spain, I am always stopped 183 00:13:31,266 --> 00:13:38,900 And if you don't comply with the stereotype that is assigned to you, you will immediately be detained. 184 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:45,266 And it's very scary, like they take your passport and then in some way you feel helpless 185 00:13:45,266 --> 00:13:49,233 How do you check who you are, what do you do? Nothing, right? 186 00:13:49,233 --> 00:13:57,266 And after your journey, how do you feel your music was received? Once you were in the countries you toured 187 00:13:57,266 --> 00:14:02,633 Honestly, the first week I had to spend there in Spain 188 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:08,833 fortunately I met some cool people right away, right? Like everywhere, in every country in the world 189 00:14:08,833 --> 00:14:16,466 there are all these islands, these oases in the desert that are the comrades, the compas 190 00:14:16,466 --> 00:14:21,700 I knew Ana, who was the one who was waiting for me, who also mobilized together with you 191 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:26,300 ho did me the favor of calling me and saying, "Oh, you need a piece of paper, we can get it" 192 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:29,100 and they did get it, but in the end it didn't help 193 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:36,933 what did help was a call from a German agent, who was not really an agent of any company. 194 00:14:36,933 --> 00:14:44,800 It was an ordinary guy who simply called and these comrades from customs, these characters, these racists 195 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,266 after hearing a German accent, decided to give me entry 196 00:14:50,266 --> 00:14:53,566 he didn't say anything else, he didn't say I am from such company, he didn't say anything 197 00:14:53,566 --> 00:14:59,633 He simply said "you have a problem with a person who is coming to play in Germany for one of the events we have 198 00:14:59,633 --> 00:15:03,066 and if you don't want problems with these German companies you have to let him in 199 00:15:03,066 --> 00:15:05,833 He did not say more, he did not present any document or anything 200 00:15:05,833 --> 00:15:09,066 He spoke on the phone and that was all he said and they decided that I could go in 201 00:15:09,066 --> 00:15:16,100 so when I left I said "No, I don't think they are racists, man". I didn't need to say anything 202 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:18,566 And then I went in 203 00:15:18,566 --> 00:15:29,900 I was in Ana's house, with compas, I met compas from collectives over there, alternatives and for human rights 204 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:37,833 And I felt a little better knowing that there are these oases, these people that we will always end up knowing each other. 205 00:15:37,833 --> 00:15:41,533 I kept the music to myself. I didn't want to, for example 206 00:15:41,533 --> 00:15:45,333 I went with a slogan "I'm going to Spain for a week to play, even if it's in the subway" 207 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:50,000 But I end up touched, a bit traumatized I imagine 208 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,700 I didn't want to go up and play, I couldn't, I felt very bad, very depressed 209 00:15:56,700 --> 00:16:02,200 Until I went to Germany, I took the guitar out, which by the way in Germany it broke on the plane 210 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,733 I imagine the airline broke it 211 00:16:04,733 --> 00:16:13,600 Then I arrived without a lyre, and this led to a very cool experience which was to mobilize myself to fix that guitar 212 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,433 because I wasn't going to buy another one or get a borrowed guitar 213 00:16:17,433 --> 00:16:27,233 And the bands I played with there were rock, punk, ska bands. So no one had an electro-acoustic guitar, no one played it 214 00:16:27,233 --> 00:16:36,366 So I communicated with my little English, or basically no English at all, but with people who were 215 00:16:36,366 --> 00:16:37,366 Luthiers 216 00:16:37,366 --> 00:16:47,700 Luthiers and that same guy, we met, we talked who knows how, he in his German and his English and I in my Spanish and English 217 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:53,200 And he gave me a guitar and he says "start your tour with this lyre, I'll give it to you, I'll take yours and I'll repair it" 218 00:16:53,200 --> 00:17:02,366 In fact Itzell got the page of this guy from here in Mexico "well here is a guy who doesn't charge so much", "well camera, with him" 219 00:17:02,366 --> 00:17:12,866 And that's where this exchange begins, from the artistry, from the communication of people who are dedicated to culture 220 00:17:13,466 --> 00:17:15,500 or particularly to music 221 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:26,066 And this interaction, also, as in the whole world, one feels the fraternity, the brotherhood of the band that knows the necessity of the instruments 222 00:17:26,066 --> 00:17:30,800 The content of the songs once at the concerts was very difficult to communicate 223 00:17:31,966 --> 00:17:35,566 Obviously I went to sing in Spanish, not in English at all 224 00:17:35,566 --> 00:17:41,700 They were presented a little bit in English, my friend Eddie, who is on bass, did a longer intro because he speaks better 225 00:17:43,533 --> 00:17:45,900 And yes, the people can relate 226 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:57,266 The spaces were similar to these, no? This is alternative, punk, antifa, vegan, with gender perspectives, dissident 227 00:17:57,266 --> 00:18:07,600 It seemed at first as very advanced, in this progressive discourse, friendly and apart from dissidence 228 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:14,633 And it also starts, in my opinion, something inevitable, you start to compare 229 00:18:14,633 --> 00:18:22,700 nd you start to get the impression that "yes, here they are very alternative, here they are very open, not like in my town", as if 230 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:26,300 Then one also begins to fall into this kind of new colonization. 231 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:37,366 You begin to think that they are very advanced even in anti-capitalist, anti-racist discourses and things like that 232 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:41,433 And you say, "well, the wheel is turning back a little bit." 233 00:18:41,433 --> 00:18:47,566 Sure. Hey, and thinking that you were going to these alternative spaces, were you able to tell your experience 234 00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:54,133 and did you feel welcomed and understood in this experience with the customs? 235 00:18:54,133 --> 00:19:00,766 or did that connection with this alternative band you were with come out? 236 00:19:00,766 --> 00:19:09,966 No, at the end, and well I apologize for not being correct in front of the whole crew that was super supportive with us 237 00:19:09,966 --> 00:19:17,700 with me in particular. I am going to speak personally because we were a full band of five, four people 238 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:21,200 including our Italian friend who was the driver, it was a five person tour. 239 00:19:22,233 --> 00:19:32,266 But on a personal level it was like what I could talk to the German band that organized events, that organized collectives, buildings 240 00:19:32,266 --> 00:19:41,000 what do they call them? Ocupas? To make their collectives make places for the refugees 241 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,566 from the Middle East, from Afghanistan, from Iran to arrive 242 00:19:47,566 --> 00:19:55,000 So many of this gang referred to the refugees as "refugees" 243 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:02,533 and some of them left and did not even say thank you and went who knows where 244 00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:10,633 So I was worried about that "well, do you need to be thanked, man? Well, it's not as political as you thought your help was" 245 00:20:10,633 --> 00:20:18,800 And when I had the chance to talk with a refugee group, I spoke with a guy from Iran 246 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:22,033 I don't know how, in English I think 247 00:20:22,266 --> 00:20:28,433 Where he said "well yes, the building is very cool here, the vegan food is very cool" 248 00:20:28,433 --> 00:20:34,200 "and everyone suddenly goes out at a certain time to smoke and talk" 249 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:46,233 "but I lived in a house where I had a flat screen, I had my garden, I had my wife and we watched Veronica Castro" 250 00:20:46,233 --> 00:20:49,266 I think they get the fucking Mexican soap operas there 251 00:20:49,266 --> 00:20:53,100 "and ya man, that's what I wanted, my life" 252 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:59,866 "A bomb came and fuck it, so we had to come here and I have to be thankful that they give me a plate in this country" 253 00:20:59,866 --> 00:21:02,866 "where they are the ones who create these wars" 254 00:21:02,866 --> 00:21:10,700 so this indignation is completely acceptable, completely justified 255 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:19,100 I can't be grateful even if you are the coolest guy in the world, I come here resentful, bitter 256 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:20,833 I was attacked in my house, man 257 00:21:20,833 --> 00:21:24,733 It's not like me, Carcará, who went to play and said "give me a chance to play" 258 00:21:24,733 --> 00:21:26,300 I wasn't the one who went to give chances 259 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:34,566 I accept that they don't let me in, that they make faces at me, but not this group, this group was completely displaced. 260 00:21:34,566 --> 00:21:42,366 Yes, because of all the war. And if we could think, to dismantle colonialism we really need a lot of things 261 00:21:42,366 --> 00:21:47,966 but just with the solidarity band, with these links that try to have some reflection 262 00:21:47,966 --> 00:21:52,100 and try to be more attentive and open in the world 263 00:21:52,133 --> 00:22:00,933 What do you think, do you have any idea that we could understand each other bette about how colonialism is lived 264 00:22:00,933 --> 00:22:09,500 and then how could we achieve better exchanges for when there is a chance to go or for them to come? 265 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:12,300 Long live the People's Union 266 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,900 Today the walls cry out 267 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:17,466 Your smile on a mural 268 00:22:17,466 --> 00:22:20,866 Where you remember that this struggle is worthy 269 00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:26,166 My Xochitl diverted 270 00:22:26,166 --> 00:22:28,666 All over the big city 271 00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:32,133 They'll spread your flowers 272 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:37,733 My Xochitl diverted 273 00:22:37,733 --> 00:22:40,400 Through the head office 274 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,033 New voices awaken 275 00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:54,000 It makes a lot of noise to me precisely because in the morning I saw a documentary about Hernán Cortés and his legacy 276 00:22:54,366 --> 00:22:58,766 and I thought that in the name he carried the penance because very politely 277 00:22:59,033 --> 00:23:03,966 kind of created this idea of miscegenation where everything was included 278 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:16,266 Even in the history they appointed descendants of Moctezuma to political positions in Europe that I didn't know about, in Naples I think 279 00:23:16,266 --> 00:23:17,733 and things like that 280 00:23:17,733 --> 00:23:27,766 And I remember and I mean when Itzel told me, she told me about this meeting with the Bolivian compas and these terms that 281 00:23:27,766 --> 00:23:32,766 we already feel identified as the bastard miscegenation 282 00:23:33,266 --> 00:23:50,866 So I came to think that conciliation is also one of the terms used by the new or those who pretend to be new progressive governments 283 00:23:50,866 --> 00:24:00,900 that in Latin America there is a very, well, not new phenomenon, but one that has been dragging from these lefts of the 1960s 284 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:10,033 It would seem to be a triumph that what we are living now with progressive governments is a triumph, but I do not see it that way. 285 00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:13,100 and they speak of conciliation precisely 286 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:19,866 They speak to the mothers, to the relatives of the disappeared, they ask for conciliation with the army and the police 287 00:24:19,866 --> 00:24:28,666 so I find this kind of comparison very brutal, where we can all live in the same way knowing that someone has committed atrocities 288 00:24:28,666 --> 00:24:36,466 Evidently, with the groups that we meet from other countries, mainly from the United States, which are our main neighbors here, 289 00:24:36,466 --> 00:24:45,233 where they are not Americans either. Here very rarely are we going to see a Texan from the border patrol walking around here 290 00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:50,366 and telling us "well, let's see how we are going to debate" 291 00:24:50,366 --> 00:24:59,033 We see and fortunately we have the chance to meet bands also in dissidence in resistance as migrants who already have 292 00:24:59,033 --> 00:25:05,100 generations in the United States who are the ones we talk to precisely because they also see firsthand 293 00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:15,933 these complexities in these huge countries that are called the melting pot which is like "all roads lead to Rome" I think 294 00:25:15,933 --> 00:25:22,833 Well, yes, because it works for capitalism, it generates a lot of people that we all want to be there 295 00:25:23,366 --> 00:25:27,166 I listen to all the groups 296 00:25:27,166 --> 00:25:42,666 In the alternative movements, movements of congruence, of precisely banishing racism, which are very strong, with a very powerful task 297 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:52,000 Most of them from Europe, so to speak, are young people between 30 and 40 years old and many will say 298 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,200 "no, that is not being young, they are older" but no, taking into account that most of the presidents of the world are almost 80 years old 299 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:08,433 we have to think about our position in life, our position in these problems and that it is time to generate a change 300 00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:16,100 no matter the generations that we are dealing with them right now. And it doesn't matter the color either 301 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:23,400 the white people, the people who were born in these countries, who have had certain privileges 302 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,800 It is very important that they are questioned. But we are not going to attack them for having been born with them either 303 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,700 It is not our task, I would say, it is not our task to point out their privileges, not anymore 304 00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:38,366 before, I think it was at most the discourse "hey, notice and do this!" 305 00:26:38,366 --> 00:26:47,866 I believe that this has been overcome and at the same time it saves a lot of work in the processes of emancipation, of these racisms 306 00:26:47,866 --> 00:26:56,366 faced with this horrible phenomenon that is segregation, the displacement of certain groups 307 00:26:56,366 --> 00:27:03,866 So, by overcoming that, I believe that everyone is doing their job and we are grateful for that, and we have to try to reach this encounter 308 00:27:03,866 --> 00:27:10,533 I believe that I already know which way to go to. Not through Spain, that's for sure, haha. But we have to find each other. 309 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,066 Great, Arturo. We thank you 310 00:27:13,066 --> 00:27:22,866 I think I will keep these words, it is necessary that people reflect, that it is not up to us to explain what colonialism is 311 00:27:22,866 --> 00:27:27,733 or where the privileges are, but rather that the dialogues begin from another place 312 00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:33,033 where we can really look at ourselves and move forward, and so long live the bastard feminisms 313 00:27:33,033 --> 00:27:34,033 Long live! 314 00:27:35,066 --> 00:27:36,900 Thank you, thank you! Germán, thank you.